| The upshot: There’s no question that AI models can lead to extraordinary advancement in mathematics — finding ways around dead ends in math research that have existed for decades. But one of the biggest considerations now is privacy and security for researchers doing the work, according to Sergei Gukov, one of the paper’s authors and the John D. MacArthur Professor of Theoretical Physics and Mathematics at Caltech. AI models also promise to fundamentally change the reward systems and bureaucracies that exist around math research. Institutions may also have to find new ways to incentivize and reward research breakthroughs. According to Gukov, the future of scientific inquiry will inevitably be a much more collaborative effort between humans and AI models. I interviewed Gukov last week about his new proposal — and how the mathematics community views the frontier AI labs in light of the recent controversies. (The other authors of the white paper are Yisong Yue, professor of computing and mathematical sciences, and Pietro Perona, Allen E. Puckett Professor of Electrical Engineering.) This interview has been edited for clarity and brevity. Q: So, it sounds like the point of building this interface is to incorporate the invisible work that mathematicians do in model training. Can you explain that? A: We refer to these unpublished or intermediate steps as dark matter, which is 99 percent of actual math research. And, of course, what we put in the paper is a final polished product. Companies may value such dark matter when they try to train their models and improve, in particular, mathematical performance, but also scientific performance more generally. But they don’t have access to, in this case, mathematicians or scientists and their thinking process. Here we’re amazingly well positioned [in that] we have the math institute, and we have more than a thousand mathematicians going through our revolving door to work on problems. In all of these recent events, they push the math community to create something that it can trust. Our project has been in the works for many months now. Q: Speaking to the distrust from the math community of AI companies, has that always been there, or is it more a fallout from the Navier-Stokes controversy? A: I think it’s been growing for quite some time. In this [American Institute of Mathematics], some people really love AI. And then there’s another opposite side of the spectrum where some people would say, “No, thank you. I’m not interested. I don’t care what it does. I just want to mind my own business and work with paper and pencil.” During the summer, things kind of escalated. There were a number of events — such as some associated with problems solved [and] some associated with key people moving around from academia to industry. And Navier-Stokes was probably one of the last straws when it tipped the balance. So this spectrum, which was already very broad, now got really polarized. Q: How are you structuring your models to satisfy safety and privacy concerns? What kinds of models are you using? A: That’s a very important question. Originally, we started this conversation nine months ago when the concerns were fairly minimal. So, at that point we were thinking that we could just do scaffolding of some of the foundation models from frontier labs. In fact, we were thinking sort of this scaffolding as actually the main product that we can offer, which would have all kinds of bells and whistles, formalization, [and] tree-like structures for mathematicians to traverse their arguments — and so on. These days, it’s still the plan. But, for privacy and ethics concerns, we probably have to go with open-weight models. Just these days the math community probably would not react well if we simply do the most naive thing and [use] either the latest [Anthropic’s] Fable or [Chat]GPT 7.5. Q: How do you see this kind of system transforming how mathematicians research and do work in general? A: I think how mathematicians do research and reason will change a lot, regardless of the system. In the past, a lot of math research was really focused on individual contributors, and a lot of what the community has built is about appreciation of these individual contributions: the reward systems, the appointments, and so on and so forth. In the future, it will be more collaborative. It will be with larger systems. For centuries and millennia, math didn’t do this. So, it’s really a very non-smooth transition that we’re going through. We’re hoping that a tool like this will assist mathematicians. Hopefully, it will be something they can trust. [The platform] will be many agents, many humans all interacting together in one ecosystem. Hopefully, it will be a small contribution to the larger transition that we’re going to see and experience. This newsletter is published by WP Intelligence, The Washington Post’s subscription service for professionals that provides business, policy and thought leaders with actionable insights. WP Intelligence operates independently from The Washington Post newsroom. Learn more about WP Intelligence. |